This Is Not The End…

…though it may seem to be. There will be one more book to follow. Yes, another full-size book. And possibly my favourite.

Eternal was at times a lot of fun to write and then at times so awful. I put sections off. I almost finished the next book before I returned to do the things that must be done.

I enjoy writing wives on their own. Separated from their spouse. Experiencing a re-centring. Also seeing them as an individual, seeing how their minds work when they are challenged. Kate in Italy, Jess in Clearwater. Now Nia.

I won’t say too much more about the book because some of you may read this post before you read it. I would suggest staying out of the comments below! I’ll be discussing…


  1. I don't think Nia ever saw it developing as far as it has with Rocco. I think she saw him as the “safe” brother…someone who didn't come with the baggage she had with Dino, and who wouldn't fall for her (and vice versa)…whoops again.If Geoff and Nia do reconcile, I can't see any way they could continue with either brother now. Rocco would always be looking for ways to ruin it, as Nia put it. I just don't see him as ever accepting that other men can give Nia something he can't.As for Dino, as much as I think he has accepted Geoff's place, can you really continue with him knowing what happened in the past and with the unknown of Odie's father. If I were Geoff, I couldn't do it (but then again I couldn't accept a tenth of what Geoff already has).

  2. My pleasure, KT. I've always been a fan of drama in which the actors must rely solely on their skills as thespians to move the plot forward in an engaging fashion. “Rope” has been one of my favorites for years. The Brandon character is one of the most purely evil bad guys that I've come across in film. Granted, he's something of a ponce, but this paradoxically makes him seem even more cold and lacking in empathy. A villain doesn't necessarily have to be a stereotypical alpha male. Another fine example of this kind of theatre is “Last Night of a Jockey” with Mickey Rooney. It appeared during the 5th season of “The Twilight Zone” back in 1963. The entire episode features Rooney on his own in a tiny apartment. The acting is inspired, and the gamut of emotions his character experiences may give you some ideas for one of your books. I do sympathize with your difficulties in writing for Geoff and Nia. To us readers, they have clearly assumed a life of their own, so I can only imagine how close their author and creator must be to them. In any case, take heart. Even though the story may end in disaster, it will leave real people with life lessons that they can practically apply in their own relationships. One such lesson is that we can't experience true romantic love until we love and accept ourselves first.

  3. Thanks for the kind words, ToBe=ToHave. I enjoyed reading your views as well. On one point in particular, I fully agree with you – there was some kind of trauma that took place in Nia's childhood that has rendered her the poster woman for psychiatric care. It may have been one extreme incident or perhaps ill treatment over a long period of time. One book I'd like to recommend to everyone, but especially to Edwin Mullin, is “Families and How to Survive Them,” by Dr. Robyn Skynner and John Cleese. Yes, THE John Cleese of Monty Python fame. He was a patient of Dr. Skynner's back in the 70's, and the book consists of an extended conversation between the two of them about human behavior and how it is so strongly influenced by our past. I found it very illuminating indeed, and this increased understanding helped me come to terms with my own emotional scars.

  4. I've read it. 🙂 At the behest of one therapist I saw some time ago. But as hard as all of this is I have a productive, good, channels for my angst. At least I think so. And they let me work off the karmic debt I feel I owe.

  5. There has been a lot of really fantastic commentary about this series. I am heartened by it. I'm also touched by the empathy I see here, both toward the contributors and to the author and her characters. You've nurtured a great audience KT.Back to Eternal… I need to ask… who is more selfish between the two series so far… Jess or Nia. I say Jess, personally. I mean when she fell in with Tyler she straight up chose him over her husband, throwing everything away for a big cock (double entendres intended). So she was cruel (or just capricious) AND selfish. Nia… Nia seems unbalanced, yes, but is it emotional or psychological? She wants it all to the detriment of all. That seems to me as more a commentary on the generations of today than something sinister. Nia is Selfish and dishonest. Is Nia's dishonesty different or better or worse than Jess' outright cruelty. I'm not certain Nia's problem is Psychological or pathological. I think it's emotional. A disorder to be sure, but there is a distinction.Nia's never been cruel to Geoff, not intentionally. The one time she intentionally humiliated Geoff she fought against it, but he asked, actually asked for it. Nia is thoughtless. Nia is self centered. Nia is self absorbed. But Nia has never been intentionally cruel. Personality disorder: maybe. Emotional disorder: certainly. Psychological disorder: I don't think so.I've been reeling with this series. Because the characters took hold in my heart. As I read the books I feel for Geoff. As I analyze the books I feel for Nia… sometimes I just like to argue… my point is Nia is confused, scared, caught up in that fight or flight instinct that is inherent and instinctual to us all. As was said above neither Nia nor Geoff is a bad person.Abandoning her family for a week may seem horrible, as it should be, but consider what was done TO her, AND, consider how Rocco manipulated her. Through it all she rebelled, not enough, true, but Trama will mitigate Reason from time to time.It's hard to defend Nia for a lot of reasons. One thing that's easy to defend though is that she never wanted to and never would want to take Odie from Geoff. From Book 1 she had never wanted Geoff to go through that pain even if she thought it was inevitable. Geoff might think otherwise right now but Nia knows, KNOWS, that Odie belongs to and with Geoff. Regardless on DNA. Whether or not Nia belongs to and with Geoff is her question. Or maybe it's the other way around.Ok enough rambling… free writing therapy over. Maybe I just need a nap.

  6. @JL23 “If I were Geoff, I couldn't do it (but then again I couldn't accept a tenth of what Geoff already has).”Amen to that! Geoff seems almost saintlike… but he's not really, is he?

  7. You know, it's funny you ask that, because I spent much of this series thinking it was much darker than LHW. Perhaps because I've been able to put distance between how I felt about that story at this point, but I agree, Jess was more selfish. I came to the realization reading 'Eternal' that LHW is actually the darker story, with the caveat obviously that LHW2 is still going.Jess knew she was developing feelings for Tyler, and rather than let her feelings be known to Pete, at least not presented under the guise of turning him on (a major factor in my feelings on it), she allows him to move in with them. To help resolve a problem she helped create no less. Then to blame Pete, even knowing in her mind it is wrong, for stealing her youth and allowing herself to get whisked away with a man that helps remind her of it, was cruelty. Twisted and hot, cruelty.For as much as Nia has spent feeling the way she wants to feel, she has been far better prepared and equipped to help relieve the pain of her husband. Never allowing herself to get too far gone in a moment to forget his feelings. There were times when Jess rubbed it in Pete's face that she would leave him with Tyler, again saying to herself she is trying to turn Pete on, but she was being truthful and she knew it. Knew it, but didn't have the capacity to realize the damage she was causing.Its also worth noting to me that it is extra intense to have most all of LHW play out under a family's roof … hoo boy.

  8. Hmmmm. This is an interesting thread. Personally, the situation with LHW1 and LHW2, while they have some basic things in common, have a lot of key differences.I do think Jess was was much more active in destroying her relationships with Pete and her family. She definitely got caught up in the humiliation stuff, and it became a the controlling part of her relationship with Pete, almost with the intent of destroying him. Even trying to get pregnant with Tyler, even after she began to realize he was not a good match for her, but she was too far down the rabbit hole at that point.I do think that Tyler was the most evil character KT has created so far, my opinion being driven by his actively trying to destroy a family (actually, we find out this is almost a serial thing with him, not just with The Mapplethorpes).I was impressed by Pete's raw courage at the end f LHW1, more than anything yet in LHW2, since he went into a situation totally alone, against a bully who was ready to beat him to a pulp. I think that may have pulled Jess out of the death spiral she had selected for her future, but the ending never really completed that plot, so we were left wondering.I don't see the amount of active destruction of her family in Nia's case, but she certainly doesn't seem to think much beyond the moment where her relationships are concerned. While Jess allows herself to be consumed by the evil surrounding Tyler, Nia doesn't, and in fact, sometimes just seems to bumble along, stumbling when she hits a pothole.Now a question for the rest of you… What would be the best ending for the key characters, now that KT has already completed things, for the most part?My “vision”:Geoff sees the light, and finds a woman who he can live a good life with and protect Odie from all the crap that Nia seems to enable…. Maybe his publicist?Nia becomes a high-end escort, doing what she does best, not worrying about the effects her actions have on those who care about her.Dino goes on with his life, occasionally getting together with Nia, but maybe not as often when he has to pay for the privilege.Rocco continues pay for Nia's services for a while, but realizes at some point that he never really loved her, but loved the thought of stealing another man's wife. He finds someone else eventually, but remains an angry soul(this is the weakest ending I have proposed, it needs more thought).Thoughts?

  9. Thought of two possible titles for the final book, depending on how KT works the plot. The first is “Epiphany” (assumes a major character finally sees the light.or”Emergence” (assumes everything comes apart, and new growth starts.

  10. Just finished ETERNAL. Merely want to say what a fine writer you are. The scene on the boat, especially with Dino, Nia and Geoff sowell conceived. Is this not the true fantasy for Nia. Each man fulfillsa part of her. I so admire both Nia and Geoff even Dino who seem to understand who they are. I am hoping there is an ending that doesnt leave Odie a total mess. I want you to know it took me almost all afternoon to read the final pages. Had to keep putting it down. Unlike so many books about sex I love them all and understand them all.

  11. I don't think I can say one's behavior is worse than the other, or to think of them as ultimately bad people. They each made their share of mistakes; in some areas Jess' were worse, but other times Nia's mistakes were.With Jess, I do think she went into it blindly, and not as sure of her love for Pete as I think Nia was for Geoff. I think that made it easy for her to fall for Tyler and to lose herself in him. Yes, Jess wasn't as upfront with her feelings as Nia has been, and she leaves her husband (where I don't believe Nia ever would). But ultimately I think Nia makes the more devastating (and ultimately selfish in my mind) mistake in having the affair with Dino and hiding the potential he is Odie's biological father.Jess becomes pregnant with Tyler's baby, but that is after she breaks it off with Pete. I don't believe there is ever any indication that she ever cheated on Pete before the events with Tyler.I guess this is my longwinded way of saying they're both selfish in their way, and they both have made huge mistakes. But I guess we all are in our way (certainly Pete and Geoff can be described as selfish too…they both pushed things in their own way because it turned them on.)I think both couples are this perfect blend, or should I say combustible blend. They can bring out the best in each other and exhibit great love. They can also end up destroying each other.As we wait for the last chapter, I wonder if the couple that I think had the strongest love is the one that ultimately can't make it work, where the much more fragile couple is the one that maybe is able to get past everything and reconcile. I do hope I'm wrong, but I wonder about that.

  12. Love this series. A fascinating look at whether one person can be everything to another. I think it's a challenge for almost any couple. It speaks to the popularity of this whole genre. I think it's healthy to have supplemental relationships but adding sex stirs the pot in a way that speaks to most people in a comitted relationship. I don't hate Nia. She seems genuine to me. Geoff konws what he's dealing with and encourages her. Even when she crosses somewhat blurry lines, he accepts and gets a sexual buzz from it.But her one big mistake ( maybe) leaves Geoff in a horrible place. The daughter he has bonded with will always remind him of his wife's big lie.Not sure how you recover trust after that. And without trust…I also loved/hated the humiliating reveal after all 4 had enjoyed sex. In his mind they were all laughing at him behind his back and Nia made that possible. Not sure I get past that if I'm Geoff.

  13. These are great. One more to add very soon. The theme of the book.Side note: I know it's not No Quarter, but it reminded me that when I had to write a very difficult part of LHW1 I armed myself with some Led Zeppelin. Headphones, whisky, and White Summer/Black Mountainside on loop. Emphasizing to myself the light and dark theme. Something Jimmy Page always talks about.

  14. Thanks so much! My hope with the LHW books is to dig deep and find characters that mean something to readers. This is such a great genre and I can't imagine an erotic scenario more wrought with passion and turmoil…

  15. Well I would have never guessed “Universe.” Now that it's out there I think we can assume that the cosmic powers that Geoff thinks put Nia and Odie in his life will start talking again. What will they say?Dear Geoff,You idiot, we gift wrapped this perfect life for you, and you gave it away?Dear Geoff,We hear you've been letting other people experience your joy, that's sweet but stop it. We'll give you one more chance. Don't fuck it up.Dear Geoff,We are not actually listening to you because we're like … the universe, bro.BTDubs, you done fucked up.

  16. DW, why you no share thoughts on Temporal?Lol, just wondering because frankly, when it's just us dudes out here talking it kind of feels a bit onesided. Personally, I enjoyed your thoughts and they helped me see things I didn't. You nailed the miscarriage, for instance!Just my thoughts as I urgently wait…… Desperately Waiting is copywritten.

  17. Epiphany is good. I feel like it sounds more like a first or second act title. But it definitely is accurate. Emergence is good too, especially since we see a second spring time…2B2H: pretty much…

  18. I want to add: thank you for saying that, because I agree it was hard to have something I've alluded to so much (Odie's parentage) have impact as a reveal. The scene on the houseboat was so hard to write and I even toyed with scrapping it. I mean, almost didn't write the foursome. Leaned very heavily towards there being no sex at all. Just Geoff trying to get her out of there—then the accidental revelation that Dino was (could be) Odie's father. But I'm writing erotica and I intended to find a way to bring Nia together with her husband and both brothers somehow from the very beginning. Pool sharked my way to getting all of them on a houseboat together…they had to have sex. It was so mentally tough to bring that scene together in an honest way and not seem contrived or ridiculous. But after so many words I feel like I know all the characters involved and I somehow made it happen and pulled off an abrupt reveal at the end. It maybe seems straightforward when you read it but believe me, I banged my head on my desk a lot…a lot…

  19. Edwin Mullin, there's also the sequel, “Life and How To Survive It.” I often reference both of these works when I'm having a rough time and need to sort out my feelings.

  20. PS,I have both. I remember an interview Cleese did aboit the books and what they meant to him. I'd always respected him as a comedian and actor but when I read the books I gained a good deal of respect for the person.For me, though they do help and I am overdue for a reread, my personal issues are trauma based ptsd in the majority of their nature. The depression is one thing, the flashbacks are… ghastly.My go to book is The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk when it gets to be too much. Also, Trauma and Recovery by Judith Lewis Herman is one I really like and we reccommend at the shelters.

  21. Now it all makes sense! Rocco and Nia need a get away spot, it's summer time, let's go on the boat. No one will know. Dino has been watching Geoff because he knows that he'll know where they are. So he follows him. Geoff freaks that Dino is following him, what does he want!? How did you know this place, Geoff? I know where he is, no don't call him we'll just show up. Just us four, with nowhere to go.Is there a naughty genre category for the pulitzer prize award?

  22. Some people think cocaine is good for nose obstruction. It's not. Paramedic/firefighter Dino knows that. Rocco does think it's good for her but he absolutely is subconsciously trying to control her.As far as getting her hooked, I didn't see it that way. When they were younger the Dragonieris, Nia, and her friends were no strangers to it but not at any dangerous level. Not the kind to get hooked, just liked to party.No one has mentioned her head injury…she was woozy. Concussions are no joke. Rocco was so eager to have her locked away in his lair like a supervillain he left a woman with a head injury alone on a boat. Her days with Rocco, in the future, may be lost to her. I didn't like those scenes because I felt like she was being taken advantage of by Rocco. She wanted to be there, felt safe, but she needed her hubby to give her the proper care…

  23. Throwback Thursday – I had a random thought that I don’t think I ever acknowledged one of the most powerful moments from this story was the moment when Nia, after Rocco was giving it to her like only he could and decided to threaten that he could let the cat out of the bag and tell Geoff the “truth” about Odie’s parentage, jumped into Geoff’s arms to make sure he was okay. He had no way of knowing why she would be so careful of his reaction to what was happening, but it was certainly heartfelt. This was a moment that, for whatever reason, really stuck out as being even more real than other moments, and a real mix bag of emotions. A little touching, very sad (for everyone involved), and angering too (at Nia, and Rocco).

    I don’t know if it was ever discussed at the time, but that moment of Nia running to embrace her husband because of the fear of what was about to be revealed really sticks with me, when I look back to Cherry Blossoms.

      1. Run-on’s rule, bro! 🙂 I say, “More words, more power to ya!”

        Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and “No More Words”. 🙂


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